Posts by FatFreek 2005

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Have you read C.T. Russell's controversial view of "new light"?

by Island Man in

"if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: but with god there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from god must be like its author.

a new view of truth never can contradict a former truth.

new light never extinguishes older light, but adds to it.

FatFreek 2005

"A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth."

That's a great C.T. Russell quote, one that most modern day JWs would agree with -- if they only knew.

That what makes "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" so effective. It exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references.

Len

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Help with a part in the ministry school... teaches TTATT subtly

by ILoveTTATT in

my gf has the part "why are there so many religions".... i need to place some ttatt seeds very subtly... i don't care if they go right above most jw's heads... .

any ideas?.

.

FatFreek 2005

The following essay link is designed for newly interested ones but JWs had better be prepared. More and more householders are asking the JW an embarrasing question contained herein. "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references.

Len

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Would like your input on creating a Quiz regarding failed Jw doctrine

by notjustyet in

for the benefit of my children and others that you think might enjoy it.. i recently bought a 40.00 program that allows a teacher or other person to create a quiz or test for students.

i can enter all the info into the quiz and make it available to any and all that want to visit it online to take the quiz but i need help in coming up with some good questions and also the right answers.

the objective is to be able to relevent info into my childrens minds so that they will have less of a chance of being brought back into this cult in the near future.

FatFreek 2005

Q. Who was Watchtower's first president? (it was not CT Russell)

Q. Mormons formally disavowed their practice of multiple wives in the 1890's. JW's did in 1888, 1907, 1927, 1947. (it was 1947) See link.

Q. William Miller was the first prominent end-times predictor (Google "Millerites' Great Disappointment", 1844). Watchtower referred to him as "father Miller" as late as 1874, 1878, 1915, 1923, Never. (link)

Q. The following WT quotation is argueably a blatant lie: "At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case." The Watchtower (WT), 1981, 12/1 p. 27) They have, in fact, reversed the teaching of Sodomite resurrection X times. [X = 2, 5, 7 (link)]

Len Miller (great, great, great grandson of William -- NOT)

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WATCHTOWER CD ROM to be TERMINATED

by The Searcher in

imho!!!.

reasons?

just have a look at one or two of my very many favorites from the wt library.

FatFreek 2005

Perry: However, the WT unashamedly claims that their writings are equal to the word of God:

Watchtower December 15, 2008, pg 28 –

“Our coming to know, the truth - the entire body of
Christian teachings that has become part of the
Bible - and adhering to it are essential for our
salvation”.

That's a powerful accusation, Perry. You may be right -- but I'm not certain that quotation supports your claim.

A JW may simply respond by saying "the entire body of Christian teachings were, in fact, scripture compiled into the organized entity now known as the Bible.

Len

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Anonymous Email

by turtleturtle in

i am thinking of sending an anonymous email to some jdubs i know (im in).

i want to only pub a number of references (example: w62 8/1 p. 0).. .

what do you think would be most effective..

FatFreek 2005

The following essay link is designed for newly interested ones but JWs had better be prepared. More and more householders are asking the JW an embarrasing question contained herein. "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references.

Len

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Dear Mother -- Is that a lie or a mistake?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i believe that jehovah's witnesses are mostly honest people.

it's unfortunate for the honest ones -- especially embarrasing -- if they're ambushed by some person in their door to door work with evidence that their leadership throughout modern history has knowingly said things that are not true.

the following essay attempts to document one such trail of watchtower dishonesty.

FatFreek 2005

Hi BluesBrother,

Sometimes I need to get slapped on the side of my head to take notice. After all, it's been 22 hours since you posted. I've incorporated that last paragraph you quoted to the Dear Mother essay.

Thanks for that.

Len

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This weeks study article: God gave us these truths, yet we admit he hasn't actually given us the truth yet-- think about it

by The Quiet One in

wt 2/13 page 3 paragraph 3--> "though religious error abounds worldwide, how thankful we are that god has given us spiritual light and truth!

(read psalm 43:3,4.

) whereas the masses of mankind walk in darkness, we joyfully keep on walking in god-given spiritual light.

FatFreek 2005

"Even though Russell, Rutherford, etc claimed to be guided by holy spirit to their understandings of superior authorities, 1914, 1925 etc, they were lying, or mistaken ..."

Let's be very clear about this -- a mistake is not intentional but a lie is all about intent. A lie could also be a mistake but only if the perpetrator gets caught. The tragedy around the dates 1914 and 1925 were compounded by the fact that lying coverups were manufactured by Watchtower leadership in order to mask or soften the mistaken predictions.

The recently released essay, "Dear Mother" (an open letter to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses) clarifies the difference.

Len

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Dear Mother -- Is that a lie or a mistake?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i believe that jehovah's witnesses are mostly honest people.

it's unfortunate for the honest ones -- especially embarrasing -- if they're ambushed by some person in their door to door work with evidence that their leadership throughout modern history has knowingly said things that are not true.

the following essay attempts to document one such trail of watchtower dishonesty.

FatFreek 2005

Thank you all.

Len

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Dear Mother -- Is that a lie or a mistake?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i believe that jehovah's witnesses are mostly honest people.

it's unfortunate for the honest ones -- especially embarrasing -- if they're ambushed by some person in their door to door work with evidence that their leadership throughout modern history has knowingly said things that are not true.

the following essay attempts to document one such trail of watchtower dishonesty.

FatFreek 2005

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are mostly honest people. It's unfortunate for the honest ones -- especially embarrasing -- if they're ambushed by some person in their door to door work with evidence that their leadership throughout modern history has knowingly said things that are not true. The following essay attempts to document one such trail of Watchtower dishonesty.

Dear Mother,

I don’t think you’ll mind being addressed as Mother since many like to look at the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses as their mother. I’ll get right to the point, Mother, because I took a fresh look at your character and now believe that you crossed the line between telling the truth and stretching it. How’s that?

Oh, I know you’d always told me that you were imperfect and made mistakes -- and I accepted that. But the more I studied your writings the more I found that you went beyond the honest mistakes. You see, my real mom taught me something that I never really applied in my relationship with you -- until recently. I trust you’ll agree that what she said makes sense:

"There are honest mistakes -- but never honest lies."

Oh, you can’t believe the times I defended you over the silly things you said -- I mean the absurd teachings you wanted us to believe. There were the miracle wheat; pyramidology; that evil aluminum cookware; those teaching flip-flops on subjects like the resurrection of ancient Sodomites, the Superior Authorities, medicinal vaccinations, along with others too numerous to mention here.

(Continued -- for complete essay, click on this link.)

Len Miller

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Does anyone have a scanner and a 1992 Watchtower bound volume?

by cedars in

jw
friends

if so, please email me at [email protected] - i need your help!.

.

cedars.

FatFreek 2005

Hi Barrold Bonds,

That is a priceless gem. Here it is: " ... Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How? 1971, Chap. 12 pp. 216-217

Oops! I re-read your question and what I provided is not right -- but it's in the ball park of relevancy.

Len Miller